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401 Re: Stefan & Damon on Fri 13 Apr 2012, 7:45 pm

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poenta je da Stefan lik od početka serije ide nizbrdo, a Damonov uzbrdo. Stefanov lik iz epizode u epizodu kvare sebičlukom i nebuloznom željom za osvetom. on kaže da mu to jedino preostalo. pa kada bi se malo potrudio da vrati svoj stari život ne bi rekla da mu je samo osveta ostala. uprkos svemu što je uradio, svi njegovi dragi su ostali tu za njega, ali u njegovoj glavi on i dalje ima samo osvetu. dok Damon sa druge strane ne traži ništa, al opet naravno i ne dobija mnogo, jer ne dobija potrebnu zahvalnost za sva svoja dobra dela jer se ne hvali njima. njemu to nije potrebno. dok Stefan uvek traži neko priznanje, njemu uvek treba NEŠTO.


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"Because in the end when you lose somebody, every candle, every prayer, is not going to make up for the fact the only thing that you have left is a hole in your life where that somebody used to be and a rock with a birthday carved into it that I'm pretty sure is wrong."

402 Re: Stefan & Damon on Fri 13 Apr 2012, 9:48 pm

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Bas zbog toga i nisam neki fan J&K right now. Julie totalno potencira neku epsku Stelenu, a potpuno upropastavaju Stefanov lik i cine da ga sto vise ljudi mrzi.. Po mom misljenju Stefan treba da da oduska Eleni i da se fino posveti svom bratu Very Happy.. TEAM CASTING COUCH!! he




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403 Re: Stefan & Damon on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 3:22 pm

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Mislim da se oko toga gore ne može raspravljati jer oba djela su užasna i neoprostiva. Jedino što mi je Damonovo razumljivije, prosto razumjem Damonove reakcije i odakle to dolazi, ma koliko grozno bilo i ma koliko neoprostivo, ne odobravam ali mi je JASNO. Dok Stefanove ponekad jesu ali mi sve nakon toga ne ide u glavu, "osjećam se krivim, šmrc, šmrc, oh zapravo no I don't, DAAAAMONE TI SI KRIV ZA SVE".



S druge strane OVO je nešto o čemu bismo trebali da pričamo. Očigledna razlika između braće. I kad neko kaže ima dobro i loše i u Damonu i u Stefanu, TAČNO ali postoji i ogromna razlika između Damonovog dobrog i lošeg i Stefanovog dobrog i lošeg.

U seriji o VAMPIRIMA i ostalim ČUDOVIŠTIMA apsurdno je suditi same POSTUPKE ali osuđivanje RAZLOGA zbog kojih je nešto učinjeno je neophodno za razumjevanje lika i jelte odlučivanje da li voliš tog lika ili ne.

Ne znam ... Damon je na početku serije obelježen kao loš brat a Stefan kao dobar, i dok je većini gledaoca, kako je serija odmicala, postalo jasno da to baš i nije tako, sami pisci nikako da naprave taj napredak sa likovima u seriji. Prosto je nevjervatno koliko tu NIKO nije svjestan koliko se Damon žrtvovao za njih, koliko je njegova zasluga što su još uvjek živi. Još gore je što Stefan zna sve to a jakojakojakojako rjetko, skoro pa nikada, ne staje u odbranu svom bratu. Scena iz zadnje epizode kad pokazuju oružiju Eleni, Caroline i Mattu i Elena kaže nešto u fazonu da e brinu za nju da neće pokvariti plan ne nakon onoga što se desilo Bonnienoj mami i onako Damon nastvai da priča ali mu je pogled spušten i krivnja je OČIGLEDNA a Stefan samo stoji sa IDGAF facom tokom čitave scene. Damon koji je uradio što je uradio da bi spasio ljubav svog života i dao šansu njoj i njegovom bratu da budu srećni opet IAKO JEBENO NIJE MORAO jer niko od njih dvoje to nije zaslužio u tom momentu i krivnja ga izjeeeeeeeda sigurno a Stefan zbog kojeg se sve to i desilo samo stoji kao da ništa nije bilo. I ne samo u toj sceni nego od kada se to desilo Stefanu ni jednom nije palo na pamet da kaže to Eleni. Kako može da stoji pred njom i da želi da bude s njom znajući tako nešto.

I onda mi neko kaže da su njih dvojica JEDNAKI.

JEBENO NE.

Damon radi dobro. Stefan priča o dobrom.
Damon radi zlo .. iz uglavnom nesebičnih razloga. Stefan radi zlo jer misli da je žrtva.


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404 Re: Stefan & Damon on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 4:07 pm

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Zla_Sam wrote:



S druge strane OVO je nešto o čemu bismo trebali da pričamo. Očigledna razlika između braće. I kad neko kaže ima dobro i loše i u Damonu i u Stefanu, TAČNO ali postoji i ogromna razlika između Damonovog dobrog i lošeg i Stefanovog dobrog i lošeg.

U seriji o VAMPIRIMA i ostalim ČUDOVIŠTIMA apsurdno je suditi same POSTUPKE ali osuđivanje RAZLOGA zbog kojih je nešto učinjeno je neophodno za razumjevanje lika i jelte odlučivanje da li voliš tog lika ili ne.




ovo je tako jebeno tačno.



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"Because in the end when you lose somebody, every candle, every prayer, is not going to make up for the fact the only thing that you have left is a hole in your life where that somebody used to be and a rock with a birthday carved into it that I'm pretty sure is wrong."

405 Re: Stefan & Damon on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 9:45 pm

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MILICE JEDNOM ĆU TE ODVESTI KOD DŽULI DA JOJ SVE TO SASPEŠ U LICE, ŽIVOTA MI!
Ona bi tek tad razumela neke stvari.
Znači, želim da ti pišeš blogove o seriji koje će SVI čitati jer REALNO THAT'S THE POINT! To je to. To je činjenica koja stoji u Stemon odnosu.
I činjenica je da Džuli to sve čini, pravi te likove, gradi ih, ali ne vidim da ona u stvari vidi TOLIKU razliku između Dejmona i Stefana, jer da je vidi učinila bi da još neko od likova u seriji vidi to i POČNE DA CENI SVE ŠTO DEJMON RADI ZA SVE NJIH!

Btw,na pitanje "Da li će iko ikad saznati da je Dejmon "ubio" Kola na žurci da bi spasio Meta? I da li će mu neko nekad zahvaliti za to a ne prebacivati?" Džuli je na twitteru odgovorila "Neće pred kamerama, ali to je očigledno. I niko mu ne prebacuje za to." -.- A TO JE SAMO JEDAN PRIMER. Ne želim da komentarišem. -.-

Sve je rečeno.

406 Re: Stefan & Damon on Sat 14 Apr 2012, 9:50 pm

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Starlight wrote:
Zla_Sam wrote:



S druge strane OVO je nešto o čemu bismo trebali da pričamo. Očigledna razlika između braće. I kad neko kaže ima dobro i loše i u Damonu i u Stefanu, TAČNO ali postoji i ogromna razlika između Damonovog dobrog i lošeg i Stefanovog dobrog i lošeg.

U seriji o VAMPIRIMA i ostalim ČUDOVIŠTIMA apsurdno je suditi same POSTUPKE ali osuđivanje RAZLOGA zbog kojih je nešto učinjeno je neophodno za razumjevanje lika i jelte odlučivanje da li voliš tog lika ili ne.




ovo je tako jebeno tačno.


So true. Njihove metode rehabilitovanja se uveliko razlikuju.. Razz

407 Re: Stefan & Damon on Fri 04 May 2012, 1:32 am

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pored scene kada Damon digne Elenu sa poda, ova mi je najdraža Very Happy

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408 Re: Stefan & Damon on Fri 04 May 2012, 7:50 am

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Postaviću vam samo jednu stvar gde se sve vidi, koliko Dejmon voli svog brata i koliko je zapravo spreman i na ono najgore, jer je navikao da bude odbačen :/



Look how Damon looks at Stefan and kinda of encorouges him to make his move. Like ‘we all know how this is gonna end... so just go ahead. Take her’


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409 Re: Stefan & Damon on Fri 04 May 2012, 12:51 pm

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a Damon se tu okrenuo i krenuo svojim putem, Stefan je zastao, kao da čeka od Elene da kaže nešto.

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410 Re: Stefan & Damon on Fri 04 May 2012, 3:11 pm

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Ne znam,ne znam,ali sve ovo meni mnogo vise mirise nego smrdi. Svi ti spoileri o SE I neprestano potenciranje da ce Elena izabrati Stefana me cini optimisticnom. Jednostavno 'There's a big twist...' a mi svi znamo da nam Julie ne bi dala tako veliki spoiler,soooo....

411 Re: Stefan & Damon on Fri 04 May 2012, 3:20 pm

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ABOUT STEFAN’S & DAMON’S AGREEMENT.
When Damon & Stefan where in the car and made the agreement about leaving town when Elena chooses the other brother, it’s Stefan who immediately agrees to it & you can see Damon doubt so much, because he really doesn’t want to leave.
A few hours before Elena just confessed that she doesn’t want to lose them. And that is exactly what Damon wanted to hear all of his life, he wants to be wanted, he wants to be needed, he wants someone to love him & to love someone. He doesn’t want to leave that. Even if she chooses Stefan, Elena is the only person that really wants him there, that really needs him there & he does not want to leave that ever. Because she made that small town home to him.
And after so many years of being lonely, he finally found someone that accepted him for who he really is. Because even if Elena chooses Stefan, Damon doesn’t want to leave the only person that cares about if he lives or dies.
“I promise you, I’ll never leave you again.” And it didn’t matter to him in that moment if she would never give herself to him, it didn’t matter if she was going back to Stefan and he would make sure that she got his brother back. The only thing that mattered to him was that Elena wanted him there and that she was helpless without him. That’s the moment that flashed in front of Damon’s eyes when Stefan practically forced that agreement on him, he’s wanted by someone, someone needs him, there’s a girl relying on him & he promised her he would never leave her again.
So the reason why I’m writing this post is to say that Damon doesn’t want to leave Elena, not even if she chooses Stefan. He is incomplete without her, she’s a part of his soul & he’d rather live with a broken heart next to her than with half of himself away from her.


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412 Re: Stefan & Damon on Fri 04 May 2012, 3:39 pm

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Rose ♥ wrote:ABOUT STEFAN’S & DAMON’S AGREEMENT.
When Damon & Stefan where in the car and made the agreement about leaving town when Elena chooses the other brother, it’s Stefan who immediately agrees to it & you can see Damon doubt so much, because he really doesn’t want to leave.
A few hours before Elena just confessed that she doesn’t want to lose them. And that is exactly what Damon wanted to hear all of his life, he wants to be wanted, he wants to be needed, he wants someone to love him & to love someone. He doesn’t want to leave that. Even if she chooses Stefan, Elena is the only person that really wants him there, that really needs him there & he does not want to leave that ever. Because she made that small town home to him.
And after so many years of being lonely, he finally found someone that accepted him for who he really is. Because even if Elena chooses Stefan, Damon doesn’t want to leave the only person that cares about if he lives or dies.
“I promise you, I’ll never leave you again.” And it didn’t matter to him in that moment if she would never give herself to him, it didn’t matter if she was going back to Stefan and he would make sure that she got his brother back. The only thing that mattered to him was that Elena wanted him there and that she was helpless without him. That’s the moment that flashed in front of Damon’s eyes when Stefan practically forced that agreement on him, he’s wanted by someone, someone needs him, there’s a girl relying on him & he promised her he would never leave her again.
So the reason why I’m writing this post is to say that Damon doesn’t want to leave Elena, not even if she chooses Stefan. He is incomplete without her, she’s a part of his soul & he’d rather live with a broken heart next to her than with half of himself away from her.


0123Hope

Tacno sto sam ja zeljela reci. Stefan moze da zivi bez Elene,dokazao je to,ali Damon ne moze,a i on je to dokazao. To ne znaci da je Damon voli vise,vec da Damon voli na drugi nacin. Volio je Katherine i sta god mi rekli,on ce uvijek voljeti Katherine. Voli Elenu i nece vise nikada nikoga voljeti,jer nju ce voljeti zauvijek. Nadam se da ce ovo nekako dospjeti do Julie i da ce i ona shvatiti da je jedina realna opcija za endgame: AN EPIC LOVE STORY (DE).

413 Re: Stefan & Damon on Sun 06 May 2012, 6:49 pm

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Meni su bile savrsene njihove scene u posl. epizodi, drago mi je da su se tako lepo slozili oko svega 34556

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414 Re: Stefan & Damon on Mon 16 Jul 2012, 6:04 am

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Malo spoilerčića Very Happy







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415 Re: Stefan & Damon on Mon 16 Jul 2012, 6:14 am

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UPRAVO SAM VIDELA TO, ODGLEDALA SAM KLIP.
GOSPODE.

Sad očekujem neku tuču. ROFL

Naravno, Stefan i dalje nervira.
Basically. Dead Elena > Vampire Elena. - NO ELENA > ELENA. Oh, god -.-
PLEASE.
Nema veze što nikada nije nameravao da ona umre, njegovi postupci govore suprotno. KONTRADIKTORNO, NE.


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416 Re: Stefan & Damon on Mon 16 Jul 2012, 1:09 pm

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meni je užasno smešno to što je pustio da umre jer je "navodno ispoštovao njenu odluku" a sad kad je ODLUČILA da postane vampir pizdi iako je to bila NJENA ODLUKA.


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"Because in the end when you lose somebody, every candle, every prayer, is not going to make up for the fact the only thing that you have left is a hole in your life where that somebody used to be and a rock with a birthday carved into it that I'm pretty sure is wrong."

417 Re: Stefan & Damon on Mon 16 Jul 2012, 1:51 pm

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To je sve sto imam da kazem Stefanu Very Happy Njegove dileme,grize savesti i to sto se ne slaze sa time sto se slozio sa Elenom me apsolutno ne zanima xD

418 Re: Stefan & Damon on Mon 16 Jul 2012, 5:40 pm

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Koliko je sve što Stefan govori i radi kontradikrotno. Nerealno. O čemu on priča? Naravno, mora da nabije Dejmonu na nos da je ON taj kome je Elena rekla da nikada ne želi da bude vampir - zašto bi propustio tu šansu kad je već ima? I onda "I never meant for her to die." GOSPODE BOŽE! GOSPODE BOŽE! Ja ne mogu sa glupošću Stefanovog lika. Idi ubij se -.-

419 Re: Stefan & Damon on Sat 04 Aug 2012, 8:22 pm

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Unpopular Opinion: Why I don’t like Defan

The biggest reason I dislike the Defan relationship is because of how one-sided and unbalanced it is. There are moments, I confess, when I do get warm fuzzies about their relationship, the biggest time being when Damon turned Abby for Stefan’s sake because I thought that Stefan would actually start changing the way he has been treating Damon after that. Oh, how wrong I was. Stefan treats Damon like trash on an everyday basis, but only seems to “care” when Damon’s life is truly at risk. That isn’t love at all and it doesn’t win me over to their relationship.

Yes, yes, I know that Damon didn’t treat Stefan the greatest, but there is no question in my mind that Damon treats and respects Stefan infinitely more than Stefan does him. Ever since early S1, Damon has been very gradually starting to build a relationship with his brother again. The problem is that it’s only one-sided. Remember when Stefan told Elena that every time he has let himself trust Damon he’s been hurt (1x12)? I am still waiting for proof of that. All I’ve seen from the flashbacks is that Damon fell for Katherine, avoided his brother for many years because of what Stefan did to get Katherine killed (although he didn’t mean to). All I’ve seen is Stefan forcing Damon to turn for selfish reasons, and stepping on/treating Damon like trash since then. Yes, I believe that Stefan did care about his brother in the early days, before/after Damon turned and before his ripper phase… but what exactly did Damon do to Stefan to merit the way Stefan has been treating him? What has he done that is so horrible as to drive Stefan to claim that he’s been hurt whenever he let himself trust Damon? Unless I am missing something, what I see is the other way around. Damon didn’t trust Stefan, understandably so given all that has happened, and whenever he did let himself trust Stefan, he’s been hurt. And even during the days when Damon has been avoiding Stefan, he has never been malicious in his treatment of him (with the exception of a few episodes in S1). I can’t say the same for Stefan.

I have had such a problem with this since the very beginning. What I have seen is Damon the one being hurt and betrayed by Stefan. Over.and.over. Stefan did apologize for most of it, yes, but in terms of actually treating Damon like someone he cares about? Definitely not and this is completely clear in several instances. The things I see in the way Stefan treats Damon can be categorized under a few words:

1. Condescension

2. Love (but ONLY when Damon’s literally in danger)

3. Indifference

4. Hate

I see more condescension and indifference in Stefan’s treatment of Damon than love. Now I’m going to bring up some specific scenes that made it especially difficult for me to stand behind the Defan relationship. First, I want to contrast the way Stefan regards Damon versus how Damon regards Stefan. Let me just list the popular one:

  • (2x08) Damon: “I don’t deserve you, but my brother does.”


With:

  • (3x12) Stefan: “You’re better than him, Elena. You’re better than both of us.”


  • (3x15) Stefan: “She’s better off without me; she sure as hell is better off without you.”


And now let’s compare some other interesting scenes:

  • (3x02) Damon: “Because even in his darkest place, my brother still can’t let me die. I figure I owe him the same in return; I’ll help you bring him back.”


With:

  • (3x13) Stefan: “You could have left me there. Klaus would have killed me and you would have Elena all to yourself.”


Damon realized that Stefan was not ‘all gone’ like he originally thought and instead of keeping what happened in the mountains (Stefan saving his life) a secret from Elena, he goes to her willingly and offers to risk his life to help Elena get him back. Stefan, on the other hand, accuses Damon of being capable of letting him die so he could have Elena all to himself. Stefan saved Damon’s life and Damon volunteers to help get him back even at the cost of his own. Damon saves Stefan’s life and he gets accused of being a selfish prick who is capable of letting his brother die so he can get the girl.

Now let’s look at Damon’s reaction after Stefan fed Elena his blood and threatened to drive her off Wickery Bridge:

  • (3x11) Damon: “Stefan won this round for us today… We needed it, he was the better villain; I can’t help but be a little proud.”


Now let’s look at how Stefan reacted when Damon saved Bonnie’s life in S2.

  • (2x18) Stefan: “Do you even understand what you put her through?”


In these cases, Stefan and Damon both used Elena’s “reaction” to accomplish a goal. And while what Stefan did to Elena is infinitely worse than what Damon did, for the sake of this essay I won’t go there. When Stefan fed Elena his blood and threatened to drive her off Wickery Bridge, Damon praised his actions because he supposedly “won” a round with Klaus. However, when Damon used Elena’s reaction to save Bonnie’s life (and pretty much save the day), Stefan scolded him because Elena had to shed a couple tears in the process.

The biggest reason in all of this as to why I hate Defan and can’t support them is not only the way Stefan treats Damon condescendingly, but more so because of how Stefan blatantly manipulates Damon, his feelings for Elena (and hers for him). Stefan doesn’t even hide the fact that he is. Yes, Damon fell in love with his girlfriend, but you cannot help who you fall in love with. At first, he wanted to get back at Stefan for only a few episodes in the beginning of S1, but against his will he genuinely fell in love with her and after that he backed off and didn’t try to come in between Stefan and Elena with perhaps a little exception or two here and there until after 2x01. The things he did in S2 were not to pursue Elena or to steal her away- they were to protect her and keep her safe, which was even his primary focus during S1 as well (that’s a different topic). He damaged their friendship with his JNSI, and fought to renew it and to gain Elena’s forgiveness. In spite of all this, we have Stefan, who has played the jealous boyfriend since late S1, overtly use Damon and his feelings for his own selfish and insecure reasons. Let’s look at this:

Season 2:

  • (2x08)

    Stefan: “Oh, come on, Damon. We all know that you being in this car has nothing to do with me anyway…”

    Damon: “Keep it up, Stefan. I can step out of helping as easy as I stepped in.”

    Stefan: “Nope… see that’s the beauty of it- you can’t.”


  • (2x19) Stefan: “Thank you for being in love with my girlfriend. You know you can be in love with Elena all you want if that means you’ll protect her… but I have the one thing that you never will- her respect.”


And that is a perfect lead-in to S3, but first I am going to remind y’all that Stefan had Damon promise to protect Elena no matter what while he was in the tomb in S2 (2x10). Okay, onto S3.

Season 3:

Ah, this is a fun season to look at. I’ve already touched on how manipulative Stefan was in 3x12 by talking trash to Elena about Damon… And now for the infamous 3x14:

  • Damon: “Can we go back in time to the old Stefan who cared if Elena lived or died?”

    (Me: LOL! *coughsliketheendofS2coughs*)

    Stefan: “What for? It’s your job now.”


Later:

  • Stefan: “I think he needs to figure out that you can look out for yourself.”

    (Me again: LOL! *headdesk*)


Later…

  • Stefan: “Easy, buddy… don’t want you to do anything stupid… Don’t blame me; this was all her! Maybe you should stop being such a controlling dick, Damon… You’re a liability, brother, your emotions are getting in the way of our plan… maybe because you care too damn much.”


Do you guys remember when Stefan used Damon’s feelings for Elena to bring out his humanity earlier on? In 1x03, I believe:

  • (1x03) Stefan: “You’re not going to hurt her, Damon, because deep down inside of you there is a part of you that feels for her. I was worried that you had no humanity left inside of you; that you may have actually become the monster you pretend to be… Katherine is dead and you hate me because you loved her and you torture me because you still do. And that, my brother, that is your humanity.”


And then again in 2x01:

  • Stefan: “Because you feel something for her, because you actually care; and I am not going to let Katherine destroy that part of you that’s finally, after all this time, willing to feel something.”


All right, moving back on with the god-awful episode. I can’t believe I was able to make myself go through the scenes again. If that wasn’t blatant manipulation of both Damon and Elena, I don’t know what is. He uses Damon’s feelings to protect Elena and for bringing out his humanity in S1 and S2, and then in S3, he tells Elena that he doesn’t care what she thought about him anymore (3x11) and then proceeds to punch Damon in 3x12 for kissing her AFTER his WBI (as if he has any right to bitch after that). He goes on in 3x14 to put a wedge in between Damon and Elena by painting Damon as a controlling dick, and by manipulating the situation by claiming that protecting Elena was Damon’s job in one instance and then catering to Elena’s feelings later by telling her that Damon needs to learn that she can look out for herself (which, obviously she can’t as a vulnerable human against vampires). All this in the context of using Damon’s feelings to protect Elena. All this in the context of Damon risking his life helping Elena bring him back. How can I root for Defan?

Some other misc. crap I didn’t like:

1. How Stefan talks trash about Damon to other people behind his back. I’ve already listed a lot, but here’s one more. I’m too lazy to go through 3 seasons to find the rest:

  • (1x22) Stefan: “I know my brother… I know the trouble he can cause.”


2. Stefan’s asshole-ness in 1x22:

  • Stefan: “Get over yourself- we both know you aren’t doing this for the right reasons… It’s only real when it comes from your desire to do the right thing for nothing in return and I know that that is an entirely foreign concept to you; I completely understand that you wouldn’t get it.”


You’re one to talk, Stefan. Damon does a helluva lot more behind-the-scenes expecting nothing in return than you do (the end of that very episode with Deremy, for example). When Damon does good, he does it in the background; when Stefan does good, he makes a show of it (2x13, 3x20, and more if I take the time to go back through the series). *rolls eyes*

3. Stefan NEVER telling Elena that Damon turned Abby for the sake of Stefan’s reputation. This makes for another great comparison:

  • (3x10) Damon: “You should know this, Elena. Stefan didn’t screw us over. He screwed us over, but he had a good reason; he saved Klaus to save me and then he stole the coffins to get even.”


Damon came clean about Stefan’s good intentions whereas Stefan never told Elena that HE was supposed to turn Abby and that Damon, once again, put his reputation and relationship with Elena on the line for him and his [Stefan’s] relationship with Elena. And again, Damon didn’t keep the fact that Stefan saved his life in 3x02 a secret from Elena.

4. How Stefan treated Damon after he slept with Rebekah, again, as if he had any right to bitch after the way he has treated Damon, Elena and the people Elena cared about.

  • (3x15) Stefan: “Given who you’ve chosen to sleep with, I’d say it’s 100% your fault [that Elena got jealous].”


Whatever, Stefan. As if Damon sleeping with Rebekah is the worst possible thing he could have done after he’s been used and abused by you and Elena. *rolls eyes again*

5. 3x16 when Damon blames himself for Stefan’s first ripper phase. Another moment that gave me warm-fuzzies because I couldn’t imagine that Stefan would continue to treat Damon like shit after a scene like that. But nope, again I was wrong. In the following episodes, we had A) Stefan bitching at Damon for not keeping his HB issue a secret from Elena (SE secrets- some things never change), B) Stefan not being willing to stage a rescue for Damon despite Elena wanting to (so much for respecting Elena’s decisions), C) Stefan planting himself back in Elena’s life despite knowing she has fallen in love with Damon. Encouraging her to explore her feelings doesn’t count if it only lasts for one day and you’re kissing her the next.

It’s only fair, I think, to close by briefly listing a few instances in which Damon showed that he loves Stefan outside of simply saving his life.

1. In S1 during Stefan’s first HB phase. It was Damon who has been encouraging Stefan to learn control, truthfully saying that it wasn’t safe or healthy to live purely off of AB. Damon puts the current Mystic Falls crisis aside, reaches out to Stefan and acknowledges that he understands after Stefan had already fallen off the wagon.

  • (1x18) Damon: “We have a problem, Stefan, and when I say problem, I mean global crisis. It seems Uncle John has a… you don’t look so good. It’s different this time, isn’t it? The need is too strong. Of course it would be after all these years.”


Damon then proceeds to leave his glass of blood on the table, leave and give Stefan his privacy in the most nonjudgmental way possible.

2. In 1x19 when Damon humbly goes to Elena to ask for help with dealing with Stefan, being respectful without talking trash about him behind his back.

3. In the S1 finale when Damon was talking to “Elena”:

  • (1x22) Damon: “I’m not the hero, Elena… I don’t do good, it’s not in me. That’s reserved for my brother…”


4. In 2x08 when Damon tells Elena that he doesn’t deserve her, but Stefan does.

5. When Damon spends the summer helping Elena track down Stefan. I’d go even farther to say that Damon kept Stefan ripping apart his victims a secret from Elena for as long as he could out of respect for Stefan. He only told her about it when he felt the necessity.

6. When Damon doesn’t hold Stefan killing Andie against him (whereas Stefan held Lexi against Damon for quite a while, I might add).

7. In 3x02 when Damon tells Elena that Stefan saved his life.

8. By telling Elena that Stefan saved Klaus to save him in 3x10.

9. By praising Stefan’s WBI in 3x11. Damon, no matter what, doesn’t want Elena to think poorly of his brother and he doesn’t talk trash about him. Can’t say the same for Stefan, I’m afraid.

10. By, again, trying to help Stefan control his bloodlust in S3 (3x16, I believe).

At the end of the day, Stefan treats Damon like shit to boost his own self-righteousness and I cannot bring myself to get all excited and fangirly over a relationship like this. I do love how Stefan does sacrifice much to save Damon’s life and Damon does the same, but the difference is that Damon treats Stefan with infinitely more respect on an everyday basis AND saves his life as well. If Stefan ever becomes a likable character, then I will back Defan 100%. But as long as he remains manipulative, selfish and indifferent to Damon’s feelings, I can’t do it.

DALARIC is the best bromance of the show (I will never get over them killing him off) and even if they fix Stefan’s character, I don’t even think Defan could ever measure up to Damon and Alaric’s friendship/brotherhood.

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420 Re: Stefan & Damon on Sun 05 Aug 2012, 3:21 pm

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Slazem se. Meni Defan stvarno nema smisla kad je Stefan takav kreten. -.-

421 Re: Stefan & Damon on Fri 10 Aug 2012, 8:02 pm

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Unpopular Opinion: Why I don’t like Defan

The biggest reason I dislike the Defan relationship is because of how one-sided and unbalanced it is. There are moments, I confess, when I do get warm fuzzies about their relationship, the biggest time being when Damon turned Abby for Stefan’s sake because I thought that Stefan would actually start changing the way he has been treating Damon after that. Oh, how wrong I was. Stefan treats Damon like trash on an everyday basis, but only seems to “care” when Damon’s life is truly at risk. That isn’t love at all and it doesn’t win me over to their relationship.

Yes, yes, I know that Damon didn’t treat Stefan the greatest, but there is no question in my mind that Damon treats and respects Stefan infinitely more than Stefan does him. Ever since early S1, Damon has been very gradually starting to build a relationship with his brother again. The problem is that it’s only one-sided. Remember when Stefan told Elena that every time he has let himself trust Damon he’s been hurt (1x12)? I am still waiting for proof of that. All I’ve seen from the flashbacks is that Damon fell for Katherine, avoided his brother for many years because of what Stefan did to get Katherine killed (although he didn’t mean to). All I’ve seen is Stefan forcing Damon to turn for selfish reasons, and stepping on/treating Damon like trash since then. Yes, I believe that Stefan did care about his brother in the early days, before/after Damon turned and before his ripper phase… but what exactly did Damon do to Stefan to merit the way Stefan has been treating him? What has he done that is so horrible as to drive Stefan to claim that he’s been hurt whenever he let himself trust Damon? Unless I am missing something, what I see is the other way around. Damon didn’t trust Stefan, understandably so given all that has happened, and whenever he did let himself trust Stefan, he’s been hurt. And even during the days when Damon has been avoiding Stefan, he has never been malicious in his treatment of him (with the exception of a few episodes in S1). I can’t say the same for Stefan.

I have had such a problem with this since the very beginning. What I have seen is Damon the one being hurt and betrayed by Stefan. Over.and.over. Stefan did apologize for most of it, yes, but in terms of actually treating Damon like someone he cares about? Definitely not and this is completely clear in several instances. The things I see in the way Stefan treats Damon can be categorized under a few words:

1. Condescension

2. Love (but ONLY when Damon’s literally in danger)

3. Indifference

4. Hate

I see more condescension and indifference in Stefan’s treatment of Damon than love. Now I’m going to bring up some specific scenes that made it especially difficult for me to stand behind the Defan relationship. First, I want to contrast the way Stefan regards Damon versus how Damon regards Stefan. Let me just list the popular one:

  • (2x08) Damon: “I don’t deserve you, but my brother does.”


With:

  • (3x12) Stefan: “You’re better than him, Elena. You’re better than both of us.”


  • (3x15) Stefan: “She’s better off without me; she sure as hell is better off without you.”


And now let’s compare some other interesting scenes:

  • (3x02) Damon: “Because even in his darkest place, my brother still can’t let me die. I figure I owe him the same in return; I’ll help you bring him back.”


With:

  • (3x13) Stefan: “You could have left me there. Klaus would have killed me and you would have Elena all to yourself.”


Damon realized that Stefan was not ‘all gone’ like he originally thought and instead of keeping what happened in the mountains (Stefan saving his life) a secret from Elena, he goes to her willingly and offers to risk his life to help Elena get him back. Stefan, on the other hand, accuses Damon of being capable of letting him die so he could have Elena all to himself. Stefan saved Damon’s life and Damon volunteers to help get him back even at the cost of his own. Damon saves Stefan’s life and he gets accused of being a selfish prick who is capable of letting his brother die so he can get the girl.

Now let’s look at Damon’s reaction after Stefan fed Elena his blood and threatened to drive her off Wickery Bridge:

  • (3x11) Damon: “Stefan won this round for us today… We needed it, he was the better villain; I can’t help but be a little proud.”


Now let’s look at how Stefan reacted when Damon saved Bonnie’s life in S2.

  • (2x18) Stefan: “Do you even understand what you put her through?”


In these cases, Stefan and Damon both used Elena’s “reaction” to accomplish a goal. And while what Stefan did to Elena is infinitely worse than what Damon did, for the sake of this essay I won’t go there. When Stefan fed Elena his blood and threatened to drive her off Wickery Bridge, Damon praised his actions because he supposedly “won” a round with Klaus. However, when Damon used Elena’s reaction to save Bonnie’s life (and pretty much save the day), Stefan scolded him because Elena had to shed a couple tears in the process.

The biggest reason in all of this as to why I hate Defan and can’t support them is not only the way Stefan treats Damon condescendingly, but more so because of how Stefan blatantly manipulates Damon, his feelings for Elena (and hers for him). Stefan doesn’t even hide the fact that he is. Yes, Damon fell in love with his girlfriend, but you cannot help who you fall in love with. At first, he wanted to get back at Stefan for only a few episodes in the beginning of S1, but against his will he genuinely fell in love with her and after that he backed off and didn’t try to come in between Stefan and Elena with perhaps a little exception or two here and there until after 2x01. The things he did in S2 were not to pursue Elena or to steal her away- they were to protect her and keep her safe, which was even his primary focus during S1 as well (that’s a different topic). He damaged their friendship with his JNSI, and fought to renew it and to gain Elena’s forgiveness. In spite of all this, we have Stefan, who has played the jealous boyfriend since late S1, overtly use Damon and his feelings for his own selfish and insecure reasons. Let’s look at this:

Season 2:

  • (2x08)

    Stefan: “Oh, come on, Damon. We all know that you being in this car has nothing to do with me anyway…”

    Damon: “Keep it up, Stefan. I can step out of helping as easy as I stepped in.”

    Stefan: “Nope… see that’s the beauty of it- you can’t.”


  • (2x19) Stefan: “Thank you for being in love with my girlfriend. You know you can be in love with Elena all you want if that means you’ll protect her… but I have the one thing that you never will- her respect.”


And that is a perfect lead-in to S3, but first I am going to remind y’all that Stefan had Damon promise to protect Elena no matter what while he was in the tomb in S2 (2x10). Okay, onto S3.

Season 3:

Ah, this is a fun season to look at. I’ve already touched on how manipulative Stefan was in 3x12 by talking trash to Elena about Damon… And now for the infamous 3x14:

  • Damon: “Can we go back in time to the old Stefan who cared if Elena lived or died?”

    (Me: LOL! *coughsliketheendofS2coughs*)

    Stefan: “What for? It’s your job now.”


Later:

  • Stefan: “I think he needs to figure out that you can look out for yourself.”

    (Me again: LOL! *headdesk*)


Later…

  • Stefan: “Easy, buddy… don’t want you to do anything stupid… Don’t blame me; this was all her! Maybe you should stop being such a controlling dick, Damon… You’re a liability, brother, your emotions are getting in the way of our plan… maybe because you care too damn much.”


Do you guys remember when Stefan used Damon’s feelings for Elena to bring out his humanity earlier on? In 1x03, I believe:

  • (1x03) Stefan: “You’re not going to hurt her, Damon, because deep down inside of you there is a part of you that feels for her. I was worried that you had no humanity left inside of you; that you may have actually become the monster you pretend to be… Katherine is dead and you hate me because you loved her and you torture me because you still do. And that, my brother, that is your humanity.”


And then again in 2x01:

  • Stefan: “Because you feel something for her, because you actually care; and I am not going to let Katherine destroy that part of you that’s finally, after all this time, willing to feel something.”


All right, moving back on with the god-awful episode. I can’t believe I was able to make myself go through the scenes again. If that wasn’t blatant manipulation of both Damon and Elena, I don’t know what is. He uses Damon’s feelings to protect Elena and for bringing out his humanity in S1 and S2, and then in S3, he tells Elena that he doesn’t care what she thought about him anymore (3x11) and then proceeds to punch Damon in 3x12 for kissing her AFTER his WBI (as if he has any right to bitch after that). He goes on in 3x14 to put a wedge in between Damon and Elena by painting Damon as a controlling dick, and by manipulating the situation by claiming that protecting Elena was Damon’s job in one instance and then catering to Elena’s feelings later by telling her that Damon needs to learn that she can look out for herself (which, obviously she can’t as a vulnerable human against vampires). All this in the context of using Damon’s feelings to protect Elena. All this in the context of Damon risking his life helping Elena bring him back. How can I root for Defan?

Some other misc. crap I didn’t like:

1. How Stefan talks trash about Damon to other people behind his back. I’ve already listed a lot, but here’s one more. I’m too lazy to go through 3 seasons to find the rest:

  • (1x22) Stefan: “I know my brother… I know the trouble he can cause.”


2. Stefan’s asshole-ness in 1x22:

  • Stefan: “Get over yourself- we both know you aren’t doing this for the right reasons… It’s only real when it comes from your desire to do the right thing for nothing in return and I know that that is an entirely foreign concept to you; I completely understand that you wouldn’t get it.”


You’re one to talk, Stefan. Damon does a helluva lot more behind-the-scenes expecting nothing in return than you do (the end of that very episode with Deremy, for example). When Damon does good, he does it in the background; when Stefan does good, he makes a show of it (2x13, 3x20, and more if I take the time to go back through the series). *rolls eyes*

3. Stefan NEVER telling Elena that Damon turned Abby for the sake of Stefan’s reputation. This makes for another great comparison:

  • (3x10) Damon: “You should know this, Elena. Stefan didn’t screw us over. He screwed us over, but he had a good reason; he saved Klaus to save me and then he stole the coffins to get even.”


Damon came clean about Stefan’s good intentions whereas Stefan never told Elena that HE was supposed to turn Abby and that Damon, once again, put his reputation and relationship with Elena on the line for him and his [Stefan’s] relationship with Elena. And again, Damon didn’t keep the fact that Stefan saved his life in 3x02 a secret from Elena.

4. How Stefan treated Damon after he slept with Rebekah, again, as if he had any right to bitch after the way he has treated Damon, Elena and the people Elena cared about.

  • (3x15) Stefan: “Given who you’ve chosen to sleep with, I’d say it’s 100% your fault [that Elena got jealous].”


Whatever, Stefan. As if Damon sleeping with Rebekah is the worst possible thing he could have done after he’s been used and abused by you and Elena. *rolls eyes again*

5. 3x16 when Damon blames himself for Stefan’s first ripper phase. Another moment that gave me warm-fuzzies because I couldn’t imagine that Stefan would continue to treat Damon like shit after a scene like that. But nope, again I was wrong. In the following episodes, we had A) Stefan bitching at Damon for not keeping his HB issue a secret from Elena (SE secrets- some things never change), B) Stefan not being willing to stage a rescue for Damon despite Elena wanting to (so much for respecting Elena’s decisions), C) Stefan planting himself back in Elena’s life despite knowing she has fallen in love with Damon. Encouraging her to explore her feelings doesn’t count if it only lasts for one day and you’re kissing her the next.

It’s only fair, I think, to close by briefly listing a few instances in which Damon showed that he loves Stefan outside of simply saving his life.

1. In S1 during Stefan’s first HB phase. It was Damon who has been encouraging Stefan to learn control, truthfully saying that it wasn’t safe or healthy to live purely off of AB. Damon puts the current Mystic Falls crisis aside, reaches out to Stefan and acknowledges that he understands after Stefan had already fallen off the wagon.

  • (1x18) Damon: “We have a problem, Stefan, and when I say problem, I mean global crisis. It seems Uncle John has a… you don’t look so good. It’s different this time, isn’t it? The need is too strong. Of course it would be after all these years.”


Damon then proceeds to leave his glass of blood on the table, leave and give Stefan his privacy in the most nonjudgmental way possible.

2. In 1x19 when Damon humbly goes to Elena to ask for help with dealing with Stefan, being respectful without talking trash about him behind his back.

3. In the S1 finale when Damon was talking to “Elena”:

  • (1x22) Damon: “I’m not the hero, Elena… I don’t do good, it’s not in me. That’s reserved for my brother…”


4. In 2x08 when Damon tells Elena that he doesn’t deserve her, but Stefan does.

5. When Damon spends the summer helping Elena track down Stefan. I’d go even farther to say that Damon kept Stefan ripping apart his victims a secret from Elena for as long as he could out of respect for Stefan. He only told her about it when he felt the necessity.

6. When Damon doesn’t hold Stefan killing Andie against him (whereas Stefan held Lexi against Damon for quite a while, I might add).

7. In 3x02 when Damon tells Elena that Stefan saved his life.

8. By telling Elena that Stefan saved Klaus to save him in 3x10.

9. By praising Stefan’s WBI in 3x11. Damon, no matter what, doesn’t want Elena to think poorly of his brother and he doesn’t talk trash about him. Can’t say the same for Stefan, I’m afraid.

10. By, again, trying to help Stefan control his bloodlust in S3 (3x16, I believe).

At the end of the day, Stefan treats Damon like shit to boost his own self-righteousness and I cannot bring myself to get all excited and fangirly over a relationship like this. I do love how Stefan does sacrifice much to save Damon’s life and Damon does the same, but the difference is that Damon treats Stefan with infinitely more respect on an everyday basis AND saves his life as well. If Stefan ever becomes a likable character, then I will back Defan 100%. But as long as he remains manipulative, selfish and indifferent to Damon’s feelings, I can’t do it.

DALARIC is the best bromance of the show (I will never get over them killing him off) and even if they fix Stefan’s character, I don’t even think Defan could ever measure up to Damon and Alaric’s friendship/brotherhood.

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Toliko.

zaista nemam ništa da dodam jer je sve rečeno. Damon je imao tu nesreću da mu Stefan bude brat, al za razliku od Stefana on se uzdigao iznad svih njihovih medjusobnih problema, dok se Stefan konstantno duri oko nečega i sve mu smeta i Damon mu je uvek glavni krivac za sve. odgovorno tvrdim da Damona niko do sad nije toliko voleo kao Alaric. Elena tek treba da dodje dotle. Stefana neću ni spominjati. on to ne zaslužuje.


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